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miraymdrr
14:50,
I browse bizarre reports that traders are making 1000% plus return on their portfolio.

I trade live and handle (somehow) a weekly return of about 10 percent (sometimes even 15 percent ) on my own equity.

Of course a few weeks I don't place a trade and sit the entire week without turning into a dime, but that is rare.

It is like pulling teeth to find that, even. Just curious how powerful other live (actual, real!) traders average. I'm happy with my return rate, but perhaps I'm missing something.

Jcmm
10:20,
Typical of people in here, if I can not do it no one can. No, even when I can not do it no one can. If the largest traders in history can not do it, then yes, it is very possible that nobody can.


I've already pointed out that someone just needing a 20 pip stop loss and risking 2% per trade (hardly massively risky) would need 100 pips per week to make 10%. Fantasy?? Go and look at the trades that they do, they enter such as scalpers and hold such as swing traders. Yes, it is surely possible to make 10% weekly, but not consistently in my experience.


Stop comparing hedge funds into a normal retail trader, a 20 pip stop loss risking 2 percent of $10 billion is just not viable today is it But until you have that kind of money, any percentage is surely possible, but you'll never do it if you continually think its not possible. Why nothedge funds have armies of traders, they for certain may slice the $10 billion up to trade in all kinds of instruments.

Nevertheless, I'll consider the thread that you guys pointed out. Perhaps I can learn something.

anamlo84
11:41,
If you're able to consistently make 10-15percent a week with accountable risk parameters then you're a super hero as far as I'm concerned. He is full of shite as far as I'm concerned



In case you're able to consistently make anywhere from 5-10percent a month you're well on your way! 5-10percent a month could be a super hero

Get real folks, no one is consistently getting 5-10percent per month. I know you've all come here presuming you'll make at this yield but it's not realistic.

Bernie Madoff attracted millions of dollars of investment by offering just 10 percent each year! But the fact was that he couldnt achieve that. If you can do 5-10percent per month then you're a super hero. You'd be given a multi million dollar fund to manage and make the cover of forbes in your first year after doubling the account.

Does this sound real to you?

larissacradomir
13:01,
5-10% a month are a super hero If I can direct your attention to this thread:

https://www.forexsoutheast.asia/crypto-trading/279-add-load-save-function-indi.html

There are many traders earning far more than 5-10% a month, in reality many make more than that within a week, sometimes every day, myself included. I'd be extremely disappointed with a month that is 5%, while working a full time occupation and that is.

Just because one person can not do something, doesn't mean it cannot be done, so do not be ignorant.

If these professional money managers like Bernie Madoff could make consistent profits of 10 percent a month, why deal with all the bullshit of running your own fund? Make yourself that kind of money from your home.

The final thing I'd ever want to do is conduct a fund. Why?

dustete
14:22,
I agree I think he's bullshitting,

Scalpers will compound until they reach a Max size their broker can get instant fills and thats roughly $700USD a stage (2011).

5-10percent a month is quite possible with little accounts. You never make it to Forbes but surely be a millionaire.

Jokascv
15:43,
He is full of shite so far as I am concerned



5-10% a month would be a super hero

Get real folks, nobody is consistently getting 5-10% each month. I know you've all come here presuming you will make at this yield but it is not realistic. I don't see why they shouldn't make that type of money, it entirely depends upon how you trade, risking 2% over a commerce using a 20 pip stop loss you would have to make around 100 pips weekly to come out with a 10% yield each week. Hardly out of this world. If you risk 2% each trade and require a 200 pip stop loss then you would need 1,000 pips weekly - a lot more difficult to keep up consistently.


Bernie Madoff attracted tens of thousands of dollars of investment by providing just 10% each year! But the truth was that he couldnt achieve that. If you can do 5-10% per month then you are a super hero. You'd be provided a multi million dollar fund to control and make the cover of forbes on your first year after doubling the account.

Does this sound real for you? Bernie Madoff didn't even try to make 10% a year that he went to prison for running a ponzi that meant he was not doing anything with all the money except paying off the elderly investors. Lots of hedge funds make far more than 10% a year even though comparing people to a retail trader who frequents these forums is like apples and oranges: http://www.marketfolly.com/2011/01/2010-hedge-fund-returns-performance.html however as I said, its a very different method of trading which shouldn't even be compared.

Jokascv
17:04,
If I can direct your attention to this thread:

https://www.forexsoutheast.asia/crypto-trading/274-ea-script-automatic-loss-open-orders.html

there are lots of traders earning a lot more than 5-10% a month, in fact many make more than that in a week, sometimes a day, myself included.... Well stated Captain.

larissacradomir
18:24,
Well said Captain. Thanks, it is just bizarre to hear folks say you'd have to be superman to earn 5% per month. Look at the weekly return on the dow the last calendar year. And traders here think someone making 5 percent a month in Currency Market is full of shit. . Really??? You can not make 0.2% each day? Why waste your time trading? Proceed open a savings account.

30-40percent a month is easily doable with many systems.

anamlo84
19:45,
Well there you have it

It seems like I had been wrong and lots of people here are making 5-10% each month or even every week, if not every day and doing it easily. You got to be happy about that people! You will be wealthy in just a few years beginning with just a little account, just like you always thought you would. Better go tell all your friends and family about the gravy train that's FX. Dont forget to show them proof of your returns although as they might not be as trusting as I am of your own claims.

Hallelujah! I will be wealthy!!

Juoxdo
21:06,
It is necessary that you earn 5 - 10 percent a month for at least 7 decades and also you should be trading more than $20 million. You are able to earn 1000% in a week from very higher risk trading however you'll also lose 1000% per week from high risk trading.

What are you going to do to 10 years when you earn 1000% for 1 or 2 week only?

Yttsioka
22:27,
Hi Everybody,

Wow I did not believe me advising someone to be cautious would be met with such anger. For your information I'm certainly not dumb. I said I don't doubt other people have managed to achieve it.

I was saying is ptownboi's current returns are outstanding and that I would not be trying to fix this!

I find the answers a little aggressive and I am not sure why?

I have been in this business for approximately 6 years now and I had been advising was to be careful as losing streaks do unfortunately happen and when they happen you need to be certain to protect your account. If you're risking a ridiculous percentage per transaction you could easily draw off your account by 50 percent or worse or more wipe yourself out entirely.

The key to success in this game is living, provided that you're able to survive you can make money.

So to summarise yes I think high returns are possible but they shouldn't come as a consequence of poor money management.

I'm not trying to argue with you guys so please don't attack me for it. It is simply my view, not necessarily the correct or wrong one just mine.

TukyTram
23:48,
5-10% each week, it is not something which we can't achieved.
If You're Able to dream it, you can take action Walt Disney

Jcmm
01:08,
5-10percent per week, it's not something which we can't attained.
If you're able to dream it, you can get it done Walt Disney Mr. HoangTuan, I calculated that your promise of earning 5% per week up to year. If you compound that 5% over 52 weeks, you are making then 1,104percent per year.

Please teach me your egy, oh magnificent HoangTuan. Complete BS.

Go to a hedge fund if you're able to attain that sort of return, you gon na na function as new george soros.

Jcmm
02:29,
The final thing I'd ever need to do is run a fund. Why? Regardless of why, you'd be earning billions of dollars, should you did along with your type of return.

Yeah, maybe better to follow your full-time job and just create your return on your own account, while not making billions of dollars, right?

Sorry if I'm a cynic, but if you were so good, george soros would ask you for your advice. And did that ever happen?

Jcmm
03:50,
Well there you have it

It feels like I had been incorrect and lots of people here are earning 5-10% each month or even every week, even or even daily and doing it easily. You must be happy about that people! You will be rich in just a couple of years beginning with just a little account, just like you always thought you would. Better go tell all your family and friends concerning the gravy train that's FX. Dont forget to show them proof of your returns although as they may not be as trusting as I am of your claims.

Hallelujah! I am going to be rich haha, my thoughts exactly!

Jokascv
05:11,
No idea why, you'd be earning billions of dollars, if you did along with your kind of return.

Yeah, perhaps better to stick to your fulltime occupation and just make your return on your own account, although not earning billions of dollars, right?

Sorry if I'm a cynic, but if you were so great, george soros would ask you for your information. And did that happen? You would do yourself a favor and visit the thread that the Captain pointed out in the event that you think these kinds of returns are ridiculous. Average of people in my own, if I can not do it nobody can. I've already pointed out that somebody only having a 20 pip stop loss and risking 2% each transaction (hardly massively risky) would need 100 pips each week to make 10%. Fantasy?? Go and look at the trades that they do, they enter like scalpers and hold like swing traders.

Stop comparing hedge funds into a typical retail trader, a 20 pip stop loss risking 2% of $10 billion is just not viable today is it But until you've got that sort of money, any percentage is surely possible, but you'll never get it done if you always think its not possible.

Mvazqwzj85
06:31,
2,5 milions eur per month.

Mummai
07:52,
This thread annoys me enough to bring me out of my nest since it's the same tired old crap being spewed repeatedly from years back...

some of the thinking is really shortsighted and depressing! You know what... no one gets money trading. Nobody can beat inflation. Nobody can conquer the interest earned in a savings account. We should all intention to continue being bad and scraping 0.0001percent per annum. Surely that is all we deserve from each the time spent (wasted) devoted for a profitable trader. There are no profitable retail traders. It's all a scam. You have to work in a hedge fund that you don't earn too much from your mountain of gold capital available, and you have to know the secret agent to use the bathroom there.

Facebook does not exist since the zuck did not start with a few spare million in his own pocket to scratch out a meager living from his project. You believe you use facebook but it's all in your mind... it doesn't exist. It can't. It doesn't stick to the principles that anybody starting small can't ever get somewhere! Bill gates is a figment of the imagination of everyone. steve jobs... who?

When the almighty hedge funds may simply plonk out 10% or 20 percent or whatever amounty'all want to come up with in their unthinkable available funds then MAKE SURE YOU AIM FAR FAR FAR BELOW THAT VALUE. Additionally, be sure that you don't even bother if you don't have a few billion since everybody knows that you ABSOLUTELY have to have a few billion to earn about a minimum wage from trading.

jesse livermore? Who is he? Some wannabe who flipped a couple of dollars into a sum more than a few dollars (a couple of times)... must be a scam as it can't be true. Remember, no one makes money trading, at least not without a few billion capital to earn one or two hundred measly dollars a week. Anything above that's pure dreaming and lies and sc and genius nonsense.

DON'T AIM BIG. EVER!!! YOU Won't Ever BE SKILLED AND KNOWLEDGEABLE ENOUGH TO NOT BE POOR!!!

Fun fact: my bike accelerates from zero to 100 kph in about 2 or so seconds, therefore, it makes sense that after a moment I will be doing about 3,000 kph. You should see me after 10 minutes!

THINK ABOUT THAT FLAWED, STUPID, STATEMENT!!! THIS IS PRECISELY THE PREMISE I HEAR OVER AND OVER BY PEOPLE WHO DO NOT TRADE, APPARENTLY CAN'T DO SIMPLE MATH OR USE SIMPLE REASONING SKILLS, AND MAY NEVER ROLL A PROFIT!!! AIM LOW PEOPLE!

Goal so very low so that you don't shame those who won't ever do better...

Juoxdo
09:13,
Mr. HoangTuanI calculated that the claim of earning 5% a week to annually. If you compound that 5% over 52 weeks, then you are making then 1,104% a year. 40% per annum compounded for 15 years yields 15000%.

What would be 240 percent per annum compounded return? 10,000,000%?

Carlizie
10:34,
[quote=ondskap;8850796]quote If you are asking yourself this question, then only look at his openly viewable Trade Explorer. It is the thing that many people on this, particularly the ones who make wild claims of earning shitloads of cash DON'T have.

When some very good traders here'd commerce explorer, it became a simple thing for poor traders to accompany us and when we had a loss the traders became aggressive towards us thus THAT IS A REASON WHY SOME OF US DONT HAVE THE TRADE EXPLORER AND I DONT MAKE WILD CLAIMS

criscas
11:55,
quote that is why Demo's are useless (pretty much) to compare performance between different persons. Personaly I think there is no diference if I use the demos not to flaunt but examine new egies or somethings like that. I utilize demo accounts to provide proof of theory to myself. So there is a plogical strain for my ego not to loose on a demo account too. Its exactly the same with Contest traders, some peoples gain 5000 percent free of sweat. But with actual money its a whole other story. . If you can seperate (and I think this is actually the hardest part in... I concur with you. Demo does not prepare for live trading. However, I think if there wasn't demo accounts, the majority of the traders actually would not begin this bussiness/hobby)

perseo46
13:15,
f you're really planning on having a million dollar position, I am afraid, your leverage will be 1:1 and what's so bad on that? I'm sorry but I don't get your point at all

if I had a 1 million dollar position, I would (as per my Currency management) needed to have at least 200 Million Equity available...
leverage does make hardly any difference, aside from the reduced the leverage the realistic it receives.

So at some point of your trading success. . A 1:1 Leverage is somethings you wish , maybe not somethings you afraid to have

isoxpiko
14:36,
Leverage doesn't matter. Risk reward issues...

perseo46
15:57,
Leverage is irrelevant in any way. Risk reward issues... (winning percentage * average winning) - (decreasing percentage * typical looser) - (cost of trading) == what matters to your wallet and the Revenue Dept. is interested in

xtinaamd
17:18,
Remember, you can lose 40% per month, if you can make 40 Percent per month

isoxpiko
18:38,
quote (winning percentage * average winning) - (losing percentage * average looser) - (cost of trading) == what things for your wallet and the Revenue Dept. is considering Proven egy = winning higher then losers.
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xtinaamd
19:59,
For sure 25% a day are not possible. However, the question in this thread is, even If It's consistently possible

YvYx
21:20,
I'd just like to say it's very possible but is destined to fail, I opened a stay account In Jan 2015 for EUR 500, by late March it was valued at EUR 15,000. I exchanged with no rules, no money management or risk. Finally I had numerous transactions open and news arrived in the US that wiped my account from 15,000 to 700. Alot of lessons

mpenc860
22:41,
I'd just like to mention it is very possible but is destined to fail, I opened a stay account In Jan 2015 for EUR 500, by late March it was valued at EUR 15,000. I traded with no rules, no money management or risk. Eventually one day I had numerous trades open and news came from the US which more or less wiped my account from 15,000 to 700. Alot of lessons learnt Curious to hear but how long had you been trading when this happen to you??

YvYx
00:01,
Dont be. Without great risk and cash management you are doomed to failure

that I hadnt been trading long at all when I began that.

For the past year I have been trading demo, getting my whole egy right before I go live

saritadrs
01:22,
My weekly goal is 10 to 20% of my account I can easily obtain.

xtinaamd
02:43,
Figure 22 trading days per month (average) and taking 3 weeks in the summer off and they pull some spending cash, say per cent each month should be enough to reside in modest comfort.

Sudus
04:04,
Last week I made here 12 percent, actually I don't have some distinct weekly trading target! When I get good entry point in my live chart then I use it based on my own plan on trading lot size! And now I just open my chart till now no new commerce, having a specific trading target means extra strain!

enricvenpksa
05:25,
Basically weekly yields we the traders pick according to our trading expertise as well trading equity,

as a scalper my weekly yield 10 to 15% of my account and easily I can obtain that.

kerplunks
06:45,
Basically weekly returns we the traders select based on our trading expertise as well trading equity, as a scalper my weekly return 10 to 15% of my account and easily I can get that. LOL! You don't make a simple 10-15% a week. If beginning with a $1,000 acct, compound 10 percent a week you'd have $142,000 in one year. Go hide under a bridge Troll.

perseo46
08:06,
quote LOL! You do not make a simple 10-15% weekly. If starting with a $1,000 acct, compound 10% per week you'd have $142,000 in one year. Go hide under a bridge Troll. And This Is the Reason the winners do not post here

perseo46
09:27,
Basically weekly yields we the traders select according to our trading experience as nicely trading equity, as a scalper my weekly return 10 to 15 percent of my account and readily I can obtain that. As much I despise the troll post from Ryan420. . But there's some truth on it. If your gain is based on the equity you've got. . There is somethings that are defently not right.
Unless you supposed including positive equity on your risk calculations.

Bottom line is however, 10% are doable with minimal sweat in a normal risk (1ish% a trade). .
However on a yearly average this will be much less than that if compounded.

kerplunks
10:48,
Making pop-up yields a week is great but because the account grows, the risk-of-ruin leverage use must reduce or its risk of blowing . The consequence of not as risk is not as reward so that the profit variable will reduce also. To the point where a severe $100,000 acct will make 1-2percent a month ($1,000-$2,000) and never have to worry about a margin call.

To dream though, 3 years of 10 percent /week will require $1,000 to $2.8 Billion. That's the reason why there aren't active posters from elderly than 2014. . LOL

perseo46
12:08,
To dream though, 3 decades of 10 percent /week will require $1,000 to $2.8 Billion. That is the reason why there aren't active posters from older than 2014. . LOL haha ok I give you that one!! . . Well said. . And regrettably this is very likely true as well.

But on the leverage thing. . I trade serval accounts. . totaling 75k . . And yes it's true. . The leverage does return once you hit a certain quantity.
But for direction motives its wise to split the amount over serval brokers anyway. . So this problem is cut in half by that way today.

Nobody is dumb enough to put all eggs into one basket... its just like being all-in on a commerce.

If the broker goes down or the regulations do change. . You go down. Together with them.

That the bottom line is... I still risk my 1 percent per trade like I do with a 1000$ account
but there are defently issues. . As example. . Try to fill 45 lots on a 6 pip scalp. With a shitty broker they will slip you 3 pip, compute you 2 pips and take you out 1 pip before
making your commerce a pleasant looser as the comissions are yet to be paid. .

Most individuals do overlook that reality (s)...
but from experience its safe to say that using any commendable broker. . Placing any order below 35 lots is pretty much manageable.

So using a 25k account. . You still good. But its sure beginning to get Jucy. . Depening on the products you trading as well as the broker you're using. .
Some brokers might have heavy load on AUD pairs in which others are nicely equiped on EU pairs. .
To ensure that will get into the analytics as well. .

Enjoy Trader Dante said the moment you can afford the Ferrari, you will not have the ability to drive it since you will be busy keeping your edge!
And this is very correct. . With various volumes and egies comes different topics you will have to deal with or the margin call will come for sure!

kerplunks
13:29,
That issue with slippage is utilized by large traders to move the market.

These traders may sell so much at a time they pull out buyers fast enough to maneuver price down and in to an area of sell stops (under a swing low). Then when the sell orders trigger, theres enough vendors to cover their shorts AND for them to go long without slippage as retail publiions are still promoting. This is where a retail broker's charts deviate (revealing lower highs or greater highs) in an ECN's price chart.

Yttsioka
14:50,
You are missing nothing believe me. If you can consistently make 10-15% a week with accountable risk parameters then you are a super hero as far as I am concerned.

I wouldn't recommend you change something, just stick to what's working for you!

Those reports of 1000 percent a month or whatever are completely absurd, I don't doubt somebody has done that at any point but I highly doubt they've been able to sustain this, due to those kinds of returns you would need to suppose their risk was high too hence a few losses would wipe them out completely.

If you can consistently make anywhere from 5-10% a month you are well on your way!