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  1. #1
    What's one of the most searched PriceAction signs? (I want remember you that the 90% traders are losers)

    The breakouts. It is easy! The price break and goes up. Yup, let us commerce and earn money.

    But the reaility is another.

    You simply can't know if the breakout is fake and you can't know how far it will go (if it will), because you can't forecast the future.

    And at this point I think you're all concur with me.

    Now, I strongly think that for be succesful you must exchange out of the box, we're not talking about what to do, but what not to do.

    So, what if we simply exchange the breakouts... in reverse? You're crazy man! If price goes up and split. . Yes yes. Forget everything please.

    Open all of JPY pairs in m5 with period separator and plot a flat line on the high/low of prior day; subsequently place 2 moving averages (EMA, 20 and 63)

    Caution:


    -openmind and humility required. The arrogants and naysayers will be immediately eliminated.
    -If you don't have experience, you won't understand this. You must know Candles and Price Action like your birthday date
    -Who will discuss EA's will be immediately eliminated. The most powerful EA is between your ears.

  2. #2
    An additional Question:--RRB-

    in post #1 you wrote open all jyp pairs....
    In post #8 you show us a chart von eur/usd! Can you exchange all of major/minor pairs??

    And what role do the MA playwith?
    did I overread it? Are they ever needed?
    And yes, of course I know what the MA is and how it works! I just do not realize what they need to use here?


    Have you been waiting to see whether the TP / SL is hit or are you canceling your trade earlier?

  3. #3
    Quote Originally Posted by ;
    Brother, This procedure appears to be very considerably discritionary. Eg your very first statement of When price starts weaknening and next statement when price is away from MA are extremely discretionary statements. I.e what's weakning of price and two traders perspectives can be different regarding this. Next what's meant by far from MA? I.e how much is much for you? These are so discritionary statement that trader will fuzzel soon. The remainder If your transaction is contrary to the breakout then keeping TP smaller is better. If I propose you that anti breakout egy will soon probably be...
    Not too much optional. When price it's poorer compared to preceding 5-10-20-60 min it's obvious. All can see it: smaller candles, dojis, hammers, inverted hammers, pinbars, long wicks etc.. . All this means loss of momentum.

    What means much? When price drop down with violence moving far in the average space usually maintained in the MA

  4. #4
    Quote Originally Posted by ;
    quoteLast September I attended a workshop run by an institutional trader. He called the zones that you are trading from C liquidity. I posted some illuion charts here, here and here (that is another thread on false breakouts). One possible reason why price behaves in this way is explained here....
    Finally an interesting answer. Thank you very much! I #8216; m studying and this is absolute gold therefore my intuitions was not completely groundless and senseless. I will study further

    Cheers

  5. #5
    Quote Originally Posted by ;
    So, what if we simply trade the breakouts... in reverse?
    Last September I attended a workshop run by an institutional trader; he called the zones which you are trading from C liquidity. I submitted some example charts here, here and here (that's another thread on false breakouts). One potential reason why price behaves this way is explained here. FWIW I have also heard it called stoploss searching, and (when searching for reversal price action in these zones) swing failure patterns (illuion here). Https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCG7...rr-LIv-aXSh3qQ also edues similar techniques (among other installments ) on YouTube.

  6. #6
    I can not get the point. Both trades would ended in profit, mine along with your.

    Regard the remainder, if you can not understand the Logic supporting the trades seeing entrances in screenshots, you just have lack of competence and lack of fundamental PA and indiors knowledge.

    Proceed study candles and what is a Moving Average and how it works.

    Removed you and your friend, go give suggestions in other threads and hunt for magic indiors

  7. #7
    Quote Originally Posted by ;
    Searching it also on other pairs. Here is Eur/Usd right now TP reached picture
    Um, but if the system rule is (as specified so far): Input on Pullback After Breakout, it'd have put me in the trade in the 1st low after the breakdown, failed to make 10 pips on the 1st re-cross higher, run back down below my entry-point (but probably not sufficient to pop my halt, and re-crossed up a 2nd time, and, yes, probably given me my 10 pips... in the 2nd high over the 63MA, not where your TP is shown (over the 20MA).

    With all due respect, I am not a naysayer (yet), but the explanation so far is long on generalities and short on specifics. I really would like to understand whether that system works... have you actually traded it live?

  8. #8
    Quote Originally Posted by ;
    quote Open a daily chart. What do you see at the top and bottoms of every candle? Spikes, wicks, shadows. I hope we knew each other. It is about trading the wicks, the reabsorption (which are constantly present since the production of candlesticks). Nothing so new... one should be creative and have imagination. On the trading platform segment I just visit 2000 useless indiors and people burning off their accounts. Try this in demo 1 year and let me know;--RRB-
    Okay, now we're getting somewhere! The 1st part of the explanation re the 2 MAs, respectively, was a little hard to follow, at least for me, but I see that you're employing the whippy candles because the pullback signal after the break through the prior high/low (the fully-annotated chart was quite insightful, thanks... the others not too much). Still unsure about the intention of the MAs in this system.

    BTW, fundamental semantic pattern-recognition:'lauf' probably means'laugh'... and I liked his suggestion; after all, this thread is all about'Inverted Logic', right?

  9. #9
    Brother, This procedure seems to be very much discritionary. Eg your first statement of When price starts weaknening and second statement when price is away from MA are very discretionary statements. I.e what's weakning of price and also two traders views can differ regarding this. What is meant by far from MA? Much is far for you?

    All these are so discritionary statement that trader will fuzzel soon. The rest If your trade is contrary to the breakout then maintaining TP smaller is better.

    Should I propose you that anti breakout egy will likely probably be much effective on pairs like EURCHF, EURGBP, AUDNZD etc less cool pairs. And the pro breakout transactions a part of your egy will have great success ratio on cool pairs of JPY and GOLD. I will propose one more thing that inrease the Reward in pro-breakout trades.

    Regards

  10. #10
    Searching it also on other pairs. This is Eur/Usd right now

    TP reached

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