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    I have been working in my version of what I consider a different perspective and
    perspective in regard the markets. Benoit Mandelbrot came out with his
    so-called Fractals along with his book, '' The (Mis) Behavior of Markets...a fractal
    perspective of risk, reward and ruin. There was not anything in his book that revealed
    something which would benefit some of us who are market traders. However,
    he has been claimed to be the father of fractal geometry, then all the
    great mathematicans previously before him would be the grandfathers and
    uncles. It is correct that he coined the word fractal. But his attempt to spell out
    the chaos from the market as something new could cause traders of our ilk into
    laugh so tough to joust ones hernia.
    You may not know that, however, the Pivot Point is actually a style of a fractal
    demonion of Cantor Establish or Vaclav Sierpinski's equilateral triangle. There
    are several trading progr claiming to use fractal geometry, but they are
    all false. Surely, there should some traders on this forum who might have
    some remarks as well interest in learning more about FRACTAL GEOMETRY.

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    I would be interested in learning more about it.

    It's interesting that you mention pivot points as you did. Whether it can not help clarify an observation I have made about 15, I wonder. Often, it appears that points coincide with major trend lines I have drawn to the exact pip. Is it coincidence or is there some mathematical explanation?

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    Hagbard: The pivot point is used by some promoters of the trading system
    outright as well others concealed within their own methodology. In the Foreign Exchange market,
    it has been rather successful, at least in my perspective. Allow me to get to the principal
    point about the pivot. The pivot is the mid 1/3 range of the time frame.
    It's imprisoned within that 1/3 range. If the close is at the top....then the
    pivot will probably be at the very top of the prison within that mid 1/3 range. Put simply
    words. . .there is a ratio of close within the range regarding the pivot point in
    the mid 1/3 range. This is an indior. . .because currently
    it is possible to gauge the market regarding in which the momentum is loed whether
    it is above the pivot point or under. That with along as to wherever your open
    could be. It's the open that is actually the harbinger of where the market is
    going to go for that time or day. The market will be a day time post. . .and the
    charts are day-time. . .because the market is open during the day. Now here
    is a very important point: How many hours (time) is that market which you
    are trading in....OPEN? If you are trading stocks or commodities....it's
    open only a couple of hours. Let us say, in commodities. . .there is 5 hours. What
    about the other 19 hours? Now do you see why there are gaps between both
    stocks and commodities. The point is from 1 point to another point. There
    can't be holes in the line, as well as all the stock and commodity market you
    have those holes. The Foreign Exchange market is a twenty four hour market....less
    chance for holes. Getting back to the open. The market is going to move
    above and beneath the open. So the open is the line in the sand. If the
    market is going to go up....it will break the past high, along with the low will stay
    above the last non. Depending how late or soon this occurs is what you
    have to learn by inspection and study because every one is different.
    The market is in the OPEN to the CLOSE. What you have is your
    sine and cosine action of the market with all the tangent angle function as
    slope. Even there. . .you possess exponential functions and the logarithm.
    However, the open (line in the sand). . .becomes the inflection point between
    both of these functions. In all this; there is the secant angle and depending
    where and if it is a log or a exponent... then you can determine
    when the slope becomes zero as to the turn in the market. Now this is
    occurring all the time. Even when you're taking a look at the market, this is going
    even though in your view the market trend is up. That is the reason the chances are that
    you'll lose in the long run. It's like going to a casino. The longer you remain
    in the casino, the larger the chances are that you are going to lose. That's
    why they provide you with the drinks at no cost. The chances are known by the owners. This
    is the reason cash management is the most important part of your trading
    life. The chances are that you are going to lose. . .you have to lose, because
    you or I do not know what is going to happen. We have to take a small
    reduction in order to position ourselves to get inside the door. There is a var-
    iation in that statement...I hope you understand that.
    Tonyj

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    Hi Tonyj
    I honestly find all of your writings fascinating.I literally duplicate paste and re-read them until I can understand them as much as possible. .
    I have done some research on the Net on C.Drummond,but it appears that his novels go for approximately $1500....
    I would really appreciate if I can ask you a few questions on a few of your trading systems...I know I cant understand and understand Drummond Geometry within a couple of months,but never the less...I am prepared to learn If you would be so humble to offer you. .
    Please keep on posting as you are by far the best trading thoughts on this particular forum....

    Regards

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    As a hopelessly addicted bull trader, I Intrigued by your articles since I guess a couple of others I know will soon be well.

    Just one thought tho... any prospect of applying some of that'fractal geometry' to your articles and coming up with a few paragraphs now and then? If not I'll try importing them into my http://www.phimatrix.com/ and seeing if I can split them up that way... kind of a Mandelbrot/Fibonacci fusion thingy.

    I would totally understand if you don't have any interest in trying to changing your style, and if that's the case, then please don't. Me pasting them into Word and cut and hacking at them up to match my attention span and analytical capability is fine with me.

    Bottom line here... the entire throwing the midgets into the cows from the nightclub picture was worth it all. ((ak squeegeeing limeade off his track...))

    Anticipating your next installment and alerting a few buddies here about this particular thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ;
    Many of you are aware of'pivot point'. That is what POINT AND LINE METHODOLOGY is: it is a dress up variant of the point, all in some fancy and showy dress. . .with black stockings encouraged by a'reddish' garter belt. She does this kick that is large. . .you understand, the sort that tigthens the muscle in your groin. Later, if you can't get the true thing. . .you resort to a'hand job'. So there goes your nighttime in a slop joint.
    Awesome posts Tonyj! I do not always understand what the heck you're trying to say but, I hope you keep'em coming!

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    Tony
    Wow. Talk about food for thought.
    You're a freaking banquet
    Thanks

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    Hi Tonyj
    80 years WW 2, honor....ergo the wisdom in ur postings...
    As for financial freedom not being worth my while. . .ur right that's'new' information...: )
    Please allow me to start by saying that my aim isn't getting any'trade secrets' from you...
    As a matter of fact please inform me more about your solo adventures and you being glad broke,I am really interested cause in all honesty I have been chasing money all my life. .
    At that point in your life did you have any family?
    To an extend I can know the freedom that one gets from being broke..if which makes any sense...

    As for my personal expertise in the market....blew one account and have been demo trading since. . I would say about two years now
    I'm definitely past the holy grail point and know that traditional technical analysis just don't do the job.
    I'm somewhat confused as to the whole random walk thesis...I read a novel by Mark Douglas which in all honesty I adored as it clarifies that every moment is unique and that it is complete and utter randomness
    You have to have an edued'guess' and see if the market proves you correct..and money handle from there. . .just to a lot of variables.

    . . .But somehow I think you have a different view on the market ( Actually. . .how many times have you read or heard....all that noise? Look. . .that
    'noise' is a part of the market )

    I have attached a chart all that I wanna ask you Tony....am I on the ideal track??

    I really hope,no make that believe that we may find this thread rolling....
    Thanks in advance for your comprehension and intellect

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    Quote Originally Posted by ;
    Hi Tonyj
    80 years WW 2, respect....ergo the wisdom in ur postings...
    As for fiscal freedom not being worth my while. . .ur right that is'new' advice...: )
    Please let me start off by stating that my aim is not getting any'trade secrets' from you...
    [font=Arial][size=2]As a matter of fact please let me know more about your solo experiences and you being glad broke,I am quite curious cause in all honesty I have been...
    Jadefoxx_1: '' I could not make your chart. Not sure which cross
    nor the time framework. Nor where you're on this globe....Asia, Europe...?
    I will spiel my variant of the market on a separate portion of this thread.
    (I am a dunce when it comes to computer language. . .so thread...????)
    Anyhow....your market on your chart is in a congestion. . .or what they
    call a foreign exchange market. I am not positive if you were asking about the CROSS
    or not. . .but I will offer my spiel on the market for you and other people here on
    this post....
    ciao,
    Tony

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